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709 BCE solar eclipse PREDICTABLE. Why IM****TANT?

by "Lars Wilson" <siaxares@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 18, 2008 at 05:48 AM

Archaeologists use the current Assyrian timeline for their dating of
certain 
events, such as ****shak's invasion in 925 BCE.  They do not use 
archaeological dating to date that event.  Archaeology, though, points to 
dating in the late 9th century for that event.  But archaeologists are 
trapped by the Assyrian dating since it is FIXED by an eclipse dated to
763 
BCE.   So it is pertinent to consider alternatives.

In this case, my position is that the only reason this eclipse was
mentioned 
in the eponym annals in the first place was because it was an unusual
event, 
a special event, that spilled over into a major social and civil event.  A

regular eclipse would not have.  But a PREDICTED eclipse would  have.

This is significant because the 763 BCE eclipse was part of an extremely 
RARE pattern of eclipses that were, indeed actually predictable.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/4653/709.gif

 (predictable solar eclipse series)


Now here's the quick of it--my posts are WAY too long.  In order to
predict 
an eclipse, it must have a pattern established.  To establish a pattern
you 
need at least two eclipses upon which to predict another.  That is
precisely 
what this pattern of eclipses have in common.  They were all 54 years an 1

month apart and 11 degrees apart farther north.   That means, quite
simply, 
if you experienced the location of one of these eclipses in it's totality,

you could actually predict both TIME and LOCATION of the next eclipse, and

go there and experience another total eclipse track.

Basically in terms of Assyria, they experienced three major eclipses.  One

in 817 BCE that was partial to them covering the lower half of the sun. 
Then in 763 BCE a total eclipse where they experienced the total eclipse 
track, 54 years and 1 month later.  This would have been enough
information 
for them to at lease presume that in 54 years and 1 month another eclipse
11 
degrees farther north would again occur.   It is also possible that a
young 
astronomer who experienced that major total eclipse in 763 BCE was still 
alive in 709 BCE and announced and journeyed to experience this
predictable 
eclipse.  In Assyria, they simply would have known in advance the eclipse 
would have happened and it would have still been a great triumph!  
someone 
who was say 30 in 763 BCE would have been 84 in 709 BCE.

It would have been an incredible feat!  That's because usually eclipses 
don't follow this pattern. But this rare series indeed did.  Thus the 709 
BCE eclipse, predicted based on the 817 and 763 BCE eclipses would have
been 
a major social and civic event!  That would have made it worthy of being 
recorded in the civil annual eponym as a major event for that year.

The 763 BCE eclipse, besides not having the presumption of being 
predictable, at least not in Assyria, who may have needed to experience
the 
pattern of the 817 and 763 BCE eclipse before being able to predict the
709 
BCE, also is not dated per the custom for this time in Assyria, when the 
year began after the equinox.  Sure sometimes the year began with the
first 
FULL moon after the equinox at times, but by far the first NEW MOON after 
the equinox was the norm.

This option, though, fortunately helps us.  Because when the timeline was 
adjuted by Xenophon during the Greek Period, adding 58 fake years to the 
timeline, then it pushed all dating back 56-58 years during the Babylonian

and Assyrian Periods.   In the meantime, astronomical text references were

destroyed.  But some which coincidentally were duplicated in the revised 
chronology were left on the books.  That would be the case here.   The 709

BCE eclipse which occurred during the customary third month on July 17,
709 
BCE, could be moved to 763 BCE and matched to the third month if the year 
began before the equinox.  That's what we have here.   Two eclipses, 
normally 54 years and 1 month apart, which by dating methology could both
be 
dated to month 3.   Therefore, there was no reason to erase this reference

out of the records since the 56-57 year expansion was very close to the 
54-year adjustment of this eclipse.    So now, using the 709 BCE eclipse, 
which was not likely the predicted eclipse, but being part of the
"pattern" 
for prediction got used to date the entire Assyrian Period which is the 
chronology the archaeologists now use.

But it is clear, now that archaeoogy has gotten so good at dating things, 
that the events connected with this timeline which is 54 years too early 
based on the Greek Period revisions, are too early.  David is too early in

1010-970 BCE.  Solomon is too early in 970-930 BCE.  ****shak is too early
in 
925 BCE.  Solomon's buildings are dated to the early 9th century BCE 
(900-875 BCE).   Some archaeologists thus suppose that the Bible writers 
have invented Solomon since it is clear the archaeology does not sup****t a

time of opulence where he is currently dated.  However, Solomon does just 
fine when dated 54 years later.   In fact, RC14 dating that dates 
short-lived grains found at the time of the destruction of Rehov point to
a 
highest "relative probability" for that dating to between 874-867BCE, with
a 
mid-range 95.4% probability date of 871 BCE.   That is precisely the
dating 
for ****shak you'd get when the correct 709 BCE eclipse event is used to
date 
the Assyrian Period.

What is funny and interesting, is lots of professional and well-trained 
archaeologists are trying their dangdest to figure out how to legitimize
925 
BCE or somehow combine the dating evidence with the archaeological data,
but 
they can't.  It's because it's the wrong date and the wrong timeline.  But

the right timeline based upon 709 BCE gives a perfect archaeological
match.

The question now is:  HOW LONG will it take archaeologists to figure out 
Xenophon added 58 years of fake history of the Greek Period and that's why

925 doesn't work?

Based upon the density of responses I've already seen here, I think it
will 
be a while.  It's like David Rohl, a nice enough guy, and Egyptologist. 
But 
he decided he would not deal with issues earlier than 664 BCE.  Because he

presumes that is an absolute and very established date.  But it's not. 
Anything based on the current timeline and that 763 BCE eclipse is 54
years 
too early.  It's just that simple.  But Rohl will not self-correct to 
reality because he has cut himself off from the evidence and information
he 
needs to make the correction.

For some reason, archaeologists pretend they are 100% archaeology and zero

history, but they use a historical reference for their *****sments, the 
current Assyrian timeline.  That is when they introduce an error into 
archaeology.   There is a perfectly clear choice to simply date ****shak to

871 BCE here.  A strong indication to down-date David to 850 BCE past the 
Philistine pottery Era, or Solomon to the early 9th century which matches 
the age of those palaces.  But they don't do that.  Why?  Because they are

bamboozled by ASTRONOMY!!  That 763 BCE eclipse seems so scientific to
them, 
they don't know there are other options; better options.

So what to do?  NOTHING.  Those of us who actually are more expert in 
history, astronomy and chronology than the current field of
archaeologists, 
simply make our own comparisons with the archaeological evidence, paying 
zero attention to *****sments based on the erroneous timeline used by 
archaelogists.     We use the 709 BCE dating for the Assyrian Period and 
thus dating ****shak's invasion to 871 BCE, compare that to the latest RC14

dating for that event.  And guess what?  It's a perfect match!   Why 
wouldn't it be if the astronomy is correct and the RC14 dating is worth
it's 
reputation?   Of course it matches!

In the meantime, do you realize that not even NASA knows about this 
predictable eclipse pattern.  They are still telling people the
Babylonians 
and Assyrians and even early Greeks had no ability whatsoever to predict a

solar eclipse.  Which brings us to one more point.  The famous eclipse 
mentioned by Herodotus that caused the Lydian-Median peace agreement.

Now this is KEY.  Why?  Because this eclipse not only predicted the DATE
but 
also the specific location of that eclipse.  It was predicted to occur
over 
Ionia.  That means Thales, who studied astronomy in Egypt for 7 years, 
learned about this eclipse including the location.   That underscores that

the Assyrians understood both the DATE AND LOCATION as well.  If the 
knowledge of a predictable eclipse was only for the date, then Thales
could 
not have predicted the LOCATION of that eclipse.  Of course, the original 
dating for that eclipse was during the 2-year sole ruler****p of
"Labynetus" 
(Nabonidus).  That means per the corrected chronology between 480-478 BCE.

We located an eclipse that went directly over Ionia in early 478 BCE,
which 
would have been in year 2 of Nabonidus.

The question is, was there another eclipse 54 years an 1 month earlier 11 
degrees to the south?  And if so who saw it?  Guess what?  Sure was!!! In 
532 BCE an eclipse occurred in EGYPT, precisely where Thales did his 
studies.  So the Egyptians must have known from observing in their own
land 
this eclipse, the LOCATION of the next eclipse in the series and they
pegged 
it to occur in Ionia.  This was Thales' own home territory.  So, of
course, 
he would have "warned them" (H*****odus' words!) about it.  Thus this
eclipse 
proves the Assyrians not only understood the dating of the predictable 
eclipses but also the LOCATION.     The 532 BCE and 478BCE eclipses, 54 
years and 1 month apart also are the precise distance of the
817-763-709BCE 
series of eclipses!  Thus this is how Thales actually predicted his
eclipse!

http://www.geocities.com/ed_maruyama/thalesx.html

Of course, obviously, where Thales eclipse is dated now in 585 BCE is not 
during the reign of Nabonidus, but that's another story.  The VAT4956 is 
used to date the true reign of Nabonidus.  But the fact that the 585BCE
also 
didn't occur in Ionia nor was predictable (i.e. the previous eclipse 54 
years 1 month earlier was not observable in the Near East or Egypt) proves

it's the wrong eclipse.

So just for the record, the Thales eclipse has been correctly dated to its

original time and, indeed, it was a predictable eclipse and predictable by

the EXACT predictable pattern that occurred in Assyria that got recorded
in 
the eponym.

FASCINATING.   Well, at least to those awake.  Annoying to those who are 
sleep and who love to sleep with their eyes closed and with ear muffs on
to 
make sure they hear absolutely nothing new.

Lars Wilson
 




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709 BCE solar eclipse PREDICTABLE. Why IMPORTANT?
"Lars Wilson" &  2008-01-18 05:48:26 

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