On Feb 17, 9:51=A0am, Ralph Hertle <ralph.her...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> grapheus:
>
> grapheus wrote:
>
> [...]> Everything is "Minoan" !.. Any location where a few Minoan
potterie=
s
> > have been found is considered as a "Minoan colony",
> > even when the said potteries have been brought there
> > from Crete by another people, the Proto-Ionians for instance !..
>
> [...]
>
> Are you saying that the Ionian coast of Asia Minor is the location of
> the Proto-Ionians and the Minoans?
YES8. But they were there not at the same time : CHRONOLOGY is
ESSENTIAL : During the Early Bronze Age, the Cycladic Proto-Ionians
settled on the Anatolian coast. From the End of the Middle Bronze Age
to the Beginning of the Late Bronze Age, they were partly replaced by
the Minoans. At the End of the Late Bronze Age, came the Mycenaeans,
and after 1200 BC came the "stricto sensu Ionians" (in fact, Ionic-
spekers from Euboea and Attica).
>
> Isn't it a fact that the Minoans of Crete originated from Asia Minor,
> and that their religion is a descendant of the religions of the peoples
> of Asia Minor?
This is probably true only for some of them. There is NO PROOF that
the "Cretans/Minoans" were a "single people". On the contrary ! They
were probably several different ethnies in Crete. See the ancient
historians...
>
> The Minoan-Cretan empire was made of a combination of five sub empires.
> These were: the areas of the Island of Crete and the islands of the
> Aegean including the probable titular center at Thera, the Ionian coast
> of Asia Minor, Troy, the Peloponnese and Athens, and the coastal areas
> that we know as Lebanon/ Israel/ and Palestine.
This is correct, but ONLY during the Period of the Minoan supremacy
(End of Middle Bronze Age/ Beginning of the Late Bronze Age).
Moreover, Troy has never been "Minoan". neither the whole Attica.
> The peoples of the
> Peloponnese became the Mycenaean and the Spartans. Of Athens and other
> mainland cities, Greeks.
TOTALLY UNTRUE !... If you can read French, read J. Fauconau's book
"Les Origines Grecques"... You will get another picture...
> The peoples of Lebanon/ Israel/ and Palestine
> became the Philistines and the Phoenicians. All of them, who were known
> as "the Sea Peoples", =A0became part of the Greek/ Hellenic world.
Partially UNTRUE !.. If you can read French, read J.Faucounau's book
"Les Peuples de la Mer"... You will get another picture...
> Trading colonies or establishments apparently existed in Spain, Scythia
> and Alexandria, and stop-over trading towns and sea****ts that may have
> been run by the local peoples in many instances, e.g., the Egyptians of
> ~2000 to ~1250 BCE, probably existed at many locations on the
Mediterranea=
n.
CORRECT. But most of these "trading posts" have been ORIGINALLY
created by the Cycladic Proto-Ionian sailors... If you can read
French, read J.Faucounau's book on "Les Proto-Ioniens"...
>
> There were quite a number of people in these geopolitical areas, and I
> hope to find some estimates of the populations of the Minoan Empire,
> their cities and rural areas. It simply isn't a matter of your
> downplaying the success of that society based upon the 'potteries' that
> you falsely claim to have been provided by other peoples of the Minoan
> Empire.
This is a FALSE INTERPRETATION of what I have written! I did not deny
the existence AT A TIME of a "Minoan Empire". But the Minoans were not
the sole actors of the contacts between the Mediterranean countries
and civilizations !..
>
> Are you practicing denial in contrast, when in fact others including
> scientists have well defined factual knowledge of the Minoan Empire and
> its peoples?
This is a GRATUITOUS and FALSE accusation from your part, coming from
a misunderstanding of what I wrote...
grapheus
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