Re: Kennedy In The Cuban Missile Crisis

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:27:29 -0400, "Andrew Chaplin"
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>"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Peter Skelton" <skeltonp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:15:27 GMT, "La N"
>>> <nilita2004NOSPAM@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> Peter Skelton wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:46:36 +0100, "John Briggs"
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>>>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>>>> "La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>> "William Black" <william.black@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>>> He's said he isn't going to run away in Iraq or Afghanistan.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That'll do for me...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As in ... "you broke it, you fix it?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As in 'I don't want to live in a world where the USA has ceased
to
>>>>>>>> be a power'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really?  Wouldn't it be a safer one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Power vaccuums are a really bad thing. Look at the mess that came
>>>>>> out of the collapse of the evil empire. It had to happen, don't
>>>>>> get me wrong there but several nasty wars, including the current
>>>>>> messes in Iraq and Afghanistan, resulted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Er, no - that really isn't what happened.
>>>>> -- 
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>>>>Yes, I would like my countryman, Mr. Skelton, to clarify SVP.
>>>>
>>>
>>> OFCS it's bloody simple. While the evil empire existed, nobody
>>> would risk starting a war like Iraq without UN agreement (or
>>> agreement of the evil empire). Exit the Iraq mess.
>>>
>>> Given that the resources in Iraq were available for Afghanistan,
>>> exit the Afghan mess.
>>>
>>> Do you really need me to explain how the mess in the Balkans or
>>> the various nasty little wars and the middle-sized one going on
>>> in the shards of the old Soviet Union are related to the
>>> break-up?
>>>
>>
>> And ... so .... when / if the US pulls out of Iraq (under Obama's 
>> leader****p), then what ....?
>
>Good festering question. It is not in anyone's interest for the U.S. and 
>whatever "coalition of the willing" they have to withdraw until such time
as 
>an acceptable order is present in Iraq -- we broke it, we buy it.
>
>I said this in 2003 and it is still true: it was not in our interest for
the 
>U.S. to go into Iraq; with their having gone in, it is not in our
interest for 
>them to leave until the job they set out to do is done.

They are not going to do the job they set out to do because the
planning was so inept that they don't have a sane set of victory
conditions. They have not developed them since. That being said,
it is certainly not in our interests for them to leave before
Iraq is stable and has a decent shot at propserity.


Peter Skelton