Re: The Saga Of Joe Horn: Texas Man Cleared In Shotgun Shootings

On Jul 17, 9:56=A0pm, "Ed Stasiak" <estas...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > Tiglath
> >> Ed Stasiak
>
> >> I don't have any problem with this at all, the criminals
> >> were committing a pretty serious offence and refused
> >> to stop and wait for the cops to arrest them when
> >> Joe Horn pointed a shotgun at them.
>
> > Would you shoot to kill in the back thieves who were running
> > away with your laptop if they refused to stop?
>
> I wouldn't, because I wouldn't want to get in trouble with the
> law but that's my point, I _shouldn't_ be in trouble with the
> law if it is proven that the criminals were stealing my laptop
> when I shot them.
>
> I worked damm hard for my stuff and the legal system should
> bend over backwards to protect law abiding, tax paying citizens
> who are protecting their property (and possibly their life).
>
> Otherwise, we'll end up like the UK;
>
> By Luke Salkeld
> 09th July
2008http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1033266/Yobs-threw-=
rocks-hous...
>
> "Yobs threw rocks at his house for years. But the father
> who fought back is arrested
>
> For more than two years, Sydney Davis's house has been
> under siege from youths throwing stones.
>
> After two hours of bombardment in the latest attack and no
> sign of the police, the 65-year-old retired builder decided
> enough was enough.
>
> As a particularly large missile landed in his kitchen, he
> grabbed a plank of wood from the garden and ran towards
> the gang to scare them away.
>
> The police arrived just in time - to arrest Mr Davis for
> possession of an offensive weapon.
>
> He now faces up to six months in prison. Yesterday Mr
> Davis said he was bewildered by the decision to prosecute
> him.
>
> He claims objects have been thrown at his house on 700
> separate occasions.
>
> His windows have been smashed five times in eight months.
>
> 'Something needs to be done to stop these kids. They are
> out there every night,' he said.
>
> 'One of my neighbours even had a seven-month-old in their
> kitchen when a brick came through the window.
>
> 'It showered glass across the baby's face. When these kids
> see the police they are off through the alleyways. The police
> have got no chance of catching them.'
>
> Mr Davis's 42-year- old wife Pauline dialled 999 when their
> home came under attack yet again last week, but two and a
> half hours later officers had failed to arrive.
>
> The couple's two sons, five and seven, were cowering behind
> the sofa when their father ran at the gang.
>
> He recalled: 'My wife called the police at 6 o'clock. But
> [the youths] just kept on throwing stones.
>
> 'I have two kids and if one of those stones hit them it could
> have caused some really nasty damage.
>
> 'I left the back door open to stop them sma****ng it.'
>
> When officers arrived outside his home in Swindon, Wilt****re,
> Mr Davis was handcuffed and led away to the cells, where he
> was later charged.
>
> The youths ran off. 'What in the world is this country coming
> to that the police arrest people like me for protecting their own
> property?' he said yesterday.
>
> 'The police say they want to reduce crime, yet they let evil little
> toe-rags like this off. Then they prosecute hard-working,
> upstanding residents like me.
>
> The law is, quite simply, a colossal ass.'
>
> Wilt****re police claim to have increased their patrols after two
> houses in the region were attacked by arsonists.
>
> Officers' ****ft patterns were also changed so they would be in the
> neighbourhood after dark, while the local council is considering
> blocking-off some of the alleyways.
>
> Yesterday a spokesman confirmed that no youths were arrested
> in relation to the incident.
>
> Local councillor Justin Tomlinson said homeowners in the area
> were 'living in fear' of unruly youths.
>
> 'We have sympathy with frustrated local residents - the Government
> continues to ignore a broken society, and therefore it is little wonder
> that frustrations boil over.'
>
> > You live in Arizona if I remember correctly.
>
> Michigan, (metro Detroit area) where we do have the right
> to use deadly force to protect ourselves and there is no
> requirement to retreat in the face of a threat (both in the home
> and on the street).
>
> But what constitutes a "threat" in Michigan depends on what
> the county prosecutor thinks is a threat and unfortunately, Joe
> Horn would have had a much harder time in court here.
>
> > You may want to be careful using your ideas on this issue to guide
> > your actions, for it appears, that Arizona does not allow the use of
> > deadly force to protect property.
>
> Same in Michigan and most other states. =A0Still don't make it
> right.