UH i thought this post was about Southern identity?
The Yorkist/Lancastrian struggle or the war between Cromwell and
Charles I are European wars and have virtually no bearing on American
History or on Southern Identity.
I fail to see how European struggles relate to this topic at all.
Katherine Griffis wrote:
> P.R. Vanfleet wrote:
>
> > Interesting.
> > I have a lot of family in the Deep South and I would maintain that the
> > Civil War has left a more noticeable mark on them then any other group
> > of people I have met located in any other geographic region. For
> > instance, every time I have brought up William Sherman around a
> > 'proud Southerner' I get a similar reaction.. the mention of his name
> > gets most riled up and red in the face.. This is for the most part a
> > Southern issue, as it brings up issues with their own identity. I
would
> > seriously doubt that an individual from Wyoming, or New Mexico, or
> > Maine, or Minnesota would have as much emotional attachment to
> > Sherman's march to the sea.
>
> Well, the same could be said about bringing up the term "Dresden" to a
> German, whether or not he lived through World War II. Obviously the
> inhabitants of Germany from the WWII era have a stronger emotion about
> it (even more if they lived IN Dresden or nearabouts), but even the
> German of today, in his 30's or younger, will have strong feelings
> about the bombing of Dresden, even if he doesn't have personal
> knowledge about WWII itself.
>
> One does not even have to _live_ in Germany to have this strong feeling
> about Dresden disaster: the strongest memory I have of my
> German-American mother and Southern father in argument was when he
> revealed he was part of the bombing group of the USAF which destroyed
> Dresden. The argument went on for hours, followed by days of silence.
> My mother never lived in Germany (in fact, never even visited the
> country), but the incident affected her psyche, but mainly due to its
> injustice, not due to some "locational/cultural" influence.
>
> > > The South is a particular knockaround for anthropologists and
> > historians, IMO, since they are the only "conquered" section of the
> > US, <
> >
> > So i take it you have never been to a Rez?
> > All of both North and South America are "conquered"..
> > Its just the Southern CSA are the only large organized white social
> > entity to be forced to capitulate to white opponents.
> > While individuals of European decent fought each other in the French
> > Indian War, the Revolutionary War, and the War of 1812, the
> > Confederates were the only 'socially autochthonous whites' to be
> > defeated and fall under the yoke of the victors.
>
> Erm, then what about the English Civil War? War of the Roses? That
> sort of thing?
>
> I think you should consider that _every_ civil war tends to be a
> situation where 'socially autochthonous groups' are defeated and fall
> under the yoke of the victors. The US is no different from other
> European and even non-European counterparts as to the result of a civil
> war. A civil war may not pass from the collective memory, but as a
> rule, a civil war, once completed and in the far past, doesn't affect
> the modern everyday life of its inhabitants some 100+ years after the
> fact.
>
> > It is just my experience that this incident has left an indelible mark
> > on a considerable amount of Americans born in the South.
>
> Then all I can say is our experiences differ, but mine is based on
> continuous living in the Deep South for over 40 years.
>
> Katherine Griffis-Greenberg
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