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Two Galileo sound-bites and a query

by "Dan Drake" <dd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 9, 2007 at 06:40 PM

Two little things I've run into just lately, and on the chance someone 
else might not know them and might find them amusing:

I. It's well enough known that Galileo was not the first ever to figure 
out the wrongness of Aristotle's idea that things fall at a speed 
pro****tional to the weight; in fact, I have the impression that someone 
beat him to the same thought experiment in Two New Sciences about tying 
two weights together and then cutting the string. But I didn't hear till 
recently about John Philoponus. Must have been a smart guy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Philoponus

The amusing bit is that his great contem****ary philosophical adversary was
none other than--

Simplicius!
Same guy that Ludovico della Colombe admired so much that Galileo named 
the Colombe-caricature figure after him in the Dialogue.

Which raises a pair of queries. Is there a good accessible source from 
which to read what Philoponus actually said? The Stanford reference is 
good and respectable, but some actual text would be a lot nicer.  Also, is
there any basis for the assertion that he influenced Galileo? The ideas of
Galileo's innovations having been based on earlier philosophers are 
controversial (actually, they're false :) and not to be assumed without 
evidence.

(Incidentally, if it comes to refuting Aristotle's idea" that the speed is
pro****tional to the weight of the moving bodies and indirectly 
pro****tional to the density of the medium" ( 
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/philoponus/#2.2um
), Archimedes got 
there long before. We moderns tend not to associate the kinetics of fall 
with the theory of buoyancy, but that's because we accepted Archimedes so 
long ago. To Aristotle -- correct me if I'm wrong here -- they were 
linked, and so the priority in defeating his theory must be awarded to 
Archimedes.)


II. Galileo recognized only *Two* Chief World Systems, ignoring Tycho's. 
One contending scholl of thought is that this was due to ego and 
professional jealousy and inability to rebut. Another holds that Galileo, 
who treated Tycho's observational work with great respect, didn't like 
ithe system on the grounds that it was physically ridiculous -- citing 
Galileo to this effect. 

Suppose you accept the latter interpretation: Galileo saw the Tychonic 
system as a gimmick, not representing reality at all. That is, a mere 
hypothesis!  (In the sense of the word at that time.) Just what he was 
ordered to believe of the Copernican system. 

I dunno, it sounds like ironic humor to me, if to no one else.

Alas, it also condemns Galileo. His scorn for this mere hypothesis shows 
clearly that he did NOT really think the Copernican view was the same sort
of thing; surely he thought it represented reality. I am shocked -- 
shocked! -- to find this proof that the position he stated to the 
Inquisition was hypocritical.


-- 
Dan Drake
dd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 




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