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Re: Britannia ISOT

by Rich Rostrom <rrostrom.21stcentury@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 7, 2008 at 06:51 PM

"Mike stone" <mwstone@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>> > The senior English nobleman with any sort of royal connection who is
>> > fighting with the two English regiments fighting in the Low Countries
>
>> > will return home at the head of his troops (plus any others who fancy
getting
>> > very rich very quickly),  declare himself king and blow the Romans
away.
>>
>> Unless Lord Mountjoy in Ireland beats him to it.  Mountjoy is a 2G
>grandson
>> of Thomas Grey, 1st Marquess of Dorset, who was a half-brother of both
>> Edward V and
>> [Elizabeth I's grandmother Elizabeth of York].  That might strengthen
his
>> claim
>> as much as [being the son of Henry VI's half-brother] helped Henry VII.
>>
>
>
>
>How about Philip III of Spain? He was an indisputably legitimate
descendant
>of John of Gaunt, and whatever Christian population Britannia had at the
>time of the Event would probably think of itself as "Catholic". rather
than
>Protestant.
>
>Does the Kinsale expedition of 1601 go to Britannia instead, either on
>Philip's own behalf or maybe his sister Isabella's? Could anyone else
>intervene in time?

1) Roman troops are not going to wet
   their pants and flee en masse just
   because some barbarian fires off a
   boomstick.

   A handful of clumsy smoothbore
   matchlocks will not be decisive against
   well-trained infantry with steel
   weapons, bows and arrows, and horses.

   Cortez defeated the Aztecs, who did
   not have any of the above, with the
   aid of large numbers of local allies,
   while the Aztec state was being decimated
   or worse by Euro diseases - and it was
   still a struggle.

   Britannia has a veteran Legion and
   probably a fair number of auxiliaries
   in place. (On the Pictish border, in
   Siluria, and making sure the Britons
   get no silly notions.) Any filibusters
   will be seen off quickly.

2) Given the shocking and extraordinary
   nature of the ISOT event, would anyone
   be seriously debating the relative
   merits of obscure Tudor relatives' claims?
   The Kingdom of England is _gone_. There's
   nothing to fight over. One might as well
   claim the Kingdom of Jerusalem, or the
   succession to the Byzantine Empire.

3) With the disappearance of England, the
   English position in Ireland collapses.
   Besides the material effect, the moral
   effect of knowing that the homeland is
   gone and will never send any further
   sup****t would be decisive.

   Hugh O'Neill sweeps the board, and may
   even declare himself Ard Righ. He may
   not even need Spanish help, though he
   probably gets some.

4) Once the crowns of Europe know what has
   happened, there will be embassies and
   missions to Britannia. But conquest will
   not be considered for a good while. If
   Britannia rejects all Christian missions
   and remains flagrantly pagan, there might
   be a Crusade of sorts. Might: there are
   much worse infidels, actual enemies of 
   Christ, all over the Med and Balkans, and
   no one is "crusading" against them any more.
-- 
| People say "There's a Stradivarius for sale for a  |
| million," and you say "Oh, really? What's wrong    |
| with it?" - Yitzhak Perlman                        |
 




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Britannia ISOT
christopher fardell <c  2008-07-03 01:06:27 
Re: Britannia ISOT
"William Black"  2008-07-03 11:43:33 
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"Graham Truesdale&qu  2008-07-05 20:05:24 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-07 08:41:52 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-07 18:51:58 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-08 09:54:38 
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"Allen W. McDonnell&  2008-07-08 18:08:20 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-08 17:45:35 
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"Allen W. McDonnell&  2008-07-09 07:37:11 
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Yeechang Lee <ylee@[EM  2008-07-15 01:27:38 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-15 08:32:39 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-15 14:37:49 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-15 14:12:42 
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"William Black"  2008-07-08 14:24:06 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-03 11:40:22 
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Remus <roamulus@[EMAIL  2008-07-09 07:56:21 
Re: Britannia ISOT
"William Black"  2008-07-09 16:43:08 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-09 20:38:37 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-13 17:06:13 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-14 07:12:26 
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"William Black"  2008-07-14 13:37:48 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-14 17:54:25 
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"William Black"  2008-07-15 19:36:32 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-15 22:54:05 
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"William Black"  2008-07-16 09:24:47 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-16 07:03:34 
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"William Black"  2008-07-16 09:25:36 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-16 11:51:16 
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Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-07-09 12:47:04 
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Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-07-09 13:26:51 
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Remus <roamulus@[EMAIL  2008-07-09 16:12:20 
Re: Britannia ISOT
Andrew Woode <andrew_w  2008-07-16 11:26:35 

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