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Re: Britannia ISOT

by Rich Rostrom <rrostrom.21stcentury@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 8, 2008 at 05:45 PM

"Mike stone" <mwstone@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>"Rich Rostrom" <rrostrom.21stcentury@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>
>>    Britannia has a veteran Legion and
>>    probably a fair number of auxiliaries
>>    in place. (On the Pictish border, in
>>    Siluria, and making sure the Britons
>>    get no silly notions.) Any filibusters
>>    will be seen off quickly.
>
>
>At least, they will as long as the Legions can be paid. Can Britannia
>sup****t those armed forces without the rest of the Empire to draw on?

Why not? Britannia paid tribute to Rome, AIUI.
The Britannic government has long-term problems,
but it won't dissolve overnight.

>Incidentally, the Spanish Tercios were some of the best infantry in
Europe,
>and could probably take on Roman Legions with a good chance of winning.

Well, yeah, a national army of 1600 could defeat
a legion. But not a few hundred refugees from an
expat army, as was suggested. Britannia would
not be a pushover.

>> 4) Once the crowns of Europe know what has
>>    happened, there will be embassies and
>>    missions to Britannia. But conquest will
>>    not be considered for a good while. If
>>    Britannia rejects all Christian missions
>>    and remains flagrantly pagan, there might
>>    be a Crusade of sorts. Might: there are
>>    much worse infidels, actual enemies of
>>    Christ, all over the Med and Balkans, and
>>    no one is "crusading" against them any more.
>
>Unless you call Lepanto a Crusade.

More of a defensive action. Turkey
was a threat - Britannia is not.


>I quite agree, though, that invasion is not the _only_ way to go. Rudolf
II
>as "Roman Emperor" has an arguable claim to authority over Britannia, and
>might delegate it to his Spanish cousin.

Governor Quietus will not take it seriously,
once he realizes that it is over a thousand
years later, and that there was a small gap
of 300 years between the Roman Empire and the
German "Empire".

Neither will anyone else in Europe.

>The Spanish, for their part, have enough gold to try
>and buy the loyalty of at least part of the Britannia
>troops.

They could have tried that other places, but never
did AFAIK. They don't have any intro to Britannia.


>They would go broke later, in the Thirty Years War, but that's still
>in the future. And while the languages are not identical, the average
Roman
>will probably find it easier to talk to a 16C Spaniard than to, say, a
>Dutchman [1].

Slightly. Speakers of degenerate Latin,
or speakers of a barbaric tongue who
also speak good Latin? Not much to choose.

>The Romans have no obvious reason to ally with Dutch or German
>Protestants, whom they may well think of as "Barbarians".

Given 16th standards of bathing, they're
_all_ barbarians.

>As to religion, if you had to subscribe to some sort of Christianity in
>order to be taken seriously in this world, I suspect the Romans would
accept
>it before long, probably going for Catholicism, which was based in Rome
and
>conducted its services in Latin, rather than Protestantism.

Nominally, perhaps. It could depend on
which side tries to dictate to them -
which I would expect the Catholics to
do first. Protestants had no difficulty
allying with non-Christians in east Asia...

>Interesting question is what happens to Caledonia. Does the King of
>Denmark/Norway repossess the Orkneys and Shetlands...

Probably.

>and have a shot at
>converting the Picts to Lutheranism? Expect some fireworks if he tries.

The area becomes a sort of terra nullius.

Nobody really wants it in 1600.
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| million," and you say "Oh, really? What's wrong    |
| with it?" - Yitzhak Perlman                        |
 




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Britannia ISOT
christopher fardell <c  2008-07-03 01:06:27 
Re: Britannia ISOT
"William Black"  2008-07-03 11:43:33 
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"Graham Truesdale&qu  2008-07-05 20:05:24 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-07 08:41:52 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-07 18:51:58 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-08 09:54:38 
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"Allen W. McDonnell&  2008-07-08 18:08:20 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-08 17:45:35 
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"Allen W. McDonnell&  2008-07-09 07:37:11 
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Yeechang Lee <ylee@[EM  2008-07-15 01:27:38 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-15 08:32:39 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-15 14:37:49 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-15 14:12:42 
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"William Black"  2008-07-08 14:24:06 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-03 11:40:22 
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Remus <roamulus@[EMAIL  2008-07-09 07:56:21 
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"William Black"  2008-07-09 16:43:08 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-09 20:38:37 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-13 17:06:13 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-14 07:12:26 
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"William Black"  2008-07-14 13:37:48 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-14 17:54:25 
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"William Black"  2008-07-15 19:36:32 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-15 22:54:05 
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"William Black"  2008-07-16 09:24:47 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-16 07:03:34 
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"William Black"  2008-07-16 09:25:36 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-16 11:51:16 
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Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-07-09 12:47:04 
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Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-07-09 13:26:51 
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Remus <roamulus@[EMAIL  2008-07-09 16:12:20 
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Andrew Woode <andrew_w  2008-07-16 11:26:35 

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