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Re: Future of Yiddish Eastern Europe in no-WWII world

by "Dan Goodman" <dsgood@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 9, 2008 at 05:46 AM

bm2617@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

> Assume No Hitler, and that a war vs the Red Menace doesn't take the
> place of OTL WWII: at most, a limited Cold War of sorts and perhaps
> some sort of dustup in the Pacific with Japan vs Whoever. Stalin, if
> he gets around to seriously persecuting Soviet Jews, doesn't kill more
> than, say, 25% of them.
> 
> Under this sort of scenario, what odds that a high percentage of the
> Yiddish-speaking Jews of eastern Europe still are doing so in 2008?
> Given nationalist pressures to assimilate, and efforts to make them
> proper Soviets in the USSR, possibly at gulag-point, one would think
> there would be a serious drop in the number of Yiddish-speakers: and
> not only by assimilation, but also by emigration (in a WWII-free
> world, how long does the US keep its immigration as restricted as it
> was during the 30's?).
> 
> Even with no Holocaust, it seems likely that the old world of Yiddish-
> speaking ghettos and shtetls would still be a largely "lost world" by
> the present date: how far assimilated would the Jews of Poland,
> Romania, the USSR, etc. be? (Those who hadn't moved to the US,
> Australia, France, etc.)
> 
> OTOH, might the Soviets, always happy enough to ID their population by
> nationality, decide that the "Jewish nationality", although of course
> having to learn Russian in school like anyone else, needed their
> culture protected and promoted in the usual faux-multicultural style
> ("traditional" clothes and dances, godawful socialist realist
> paintings, etc.) for international consumption, including the use of
> the Yiddish language?

Happened in our timeline -- there was a Jewish autonomous
something-or-other.



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Future of Yiddish Eastern Europe in no-WWII world
bm2617@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-08 20:56:19 
Re: Future of Yiddish Eastern Europe in no-WWII world
"Dan Goodman" &  2008-07-09 05:46:53 
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Robert Savage <rbsavag  2008-07-09 14:59:37 
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akup@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-09 13:48:14 
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Old Toby <tobiasburmei  2008-07-11 14:22:13 
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bm2617@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-09 07:25:34 
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am05@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-09 08:23:00 
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akup@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-09 16:40:14 
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am05@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-09 10:21:04 
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akup@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-07-10 21:30:18 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-10 21:40:58 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-09 15:42:10 
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randy.mcdonald@[EMAIL PRO  2008-07-09 23:44:37 
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"Michele" <n  2008-07-10 09:35:11 
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Mark Edelstein <edelst  2008-07-10 03:22:12 
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Lee Ratner <LBRatner@[  2008-07-10 12:07:22 
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Old Toby <tobiasburmei  2008-07-11 13:29:40 
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am05@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-10 14:21:56 
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"Michele" <n  2008-07-11 09:14:57 
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am05@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-10 19:16:20 
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am05@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 05:03:27 
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"Michele" <n  2008-07-11 15:14:57 
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am05@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 06:54:02 
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"Michele" <n  2008-07-11 16:24:46 
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Old Toby <tobiasburmei  2008-07-11 14:29:31 
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am05@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 09:01:35 
Re: Future of Yiddish Eastern Europe in no-WWII world
"Michele" <n  2008-07-14 10:46:32 
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am05@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-11 11:51:17 
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am05@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 05:41:10 
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jussi.jalonen@[EMAIL PROT  2008-07-14 06:24:05 
Re: Future of Yiddish Eastern Europe in no-WWII world
"Michele" <n  2008-07-14 17:12:27 
Re: Future of Yiddish Eastern Europe in no-WWII world
The Horny Goat <lcrave  2008-07-15 01:44:06 
Re: Future of Yiddish Eastern Europe in no-WWII world
"Michele" <n  2008-07-15 09:56:02 
Re: Future of Yiddish Eastern Europe in no-WWII world
The Horny Goat <lcrave  2008-07-17 05:46:27 
Re: Future of Yiddish Eastern Europe in no-WWII world
The Horny Goat <lcrave  2008-07-15 01:29:02 
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bm2617@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 08:00:30 
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am05@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-14 11:21:37 
Re: Future of Yiddish Eastern Europe in no-WWII world
"Michele" <n  2008-07-15 09:46:37 
Re: Future of Yiddish Eastern Europe in no-WWII world
jussi.jalonen@[EMAIL PROT  2008-07-15 04:58:13 
Re: Future of Yiddish Eastern Europe in no-WWII world
am05@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-15 05:40:29 

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