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Re: Britannia ISOT

by Rich Rostrom <rrostrom.21stcentury@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 13, 2008 at 05:06 PM

Remus <roamulus@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>On Jul 7, 4:51 pm, Rich Rostrom <rrostrom.21stcent...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>> 1) Roman troops are not going to wet
>>    their pants and flee en masse just
>>    because some barbarian fires off a
>>    boomstick.
>>
>>    A handful of clumsy smoothbore
>>    matchlocks will not be decisive against
>>    well-trained infantry with steel
>>    weapons, bows and arrows, and horses.
>>
>>    Cortez defeated the Aztecs, who did
>>    not have any of the above, with the
>>    aid of large numbers of local allies,
>>    while the Aztec state was being decimated
>>    or worse by Euro diseases - and it was
>>    still a struggle.
>
>This is pu****ng it.  The Romans do not
>have THAT much more tech than the Aztecs...

Well, aside from _metal-working_, _draft animals_,
****p-building, and a few other keystones of civilization...

>and they are much, much closer
>than the New World was with Cortez and
>both France and Spain are immediately
>going to scramble to take over Britain.

I rather doubt that.


>Both the French, the Spanish, and the
>Dutch are all going to sail in, tell the
>Romans that 'They are Gods' in Latin
>and prove it by aiming sticks at the
>local Roman military commanders and
>their possibly newly proclaimed emperor
>and make them drop dead at the press
>of a button.

You remind me of a famous quotation from an
old crime novel:

  Some people think that a gun is like
  a magic wand. You just just wave it
  and people have to do whatever you want.

You seem to think that a matchlock musket
with a maximum effective range of maybe
a hundred yards, that takes a minute to reload,
and can't even be fired in wet weather,
is "the wrath of God".

The first chap to show up in Britannia with
a firearm will impress some people. Not that
much, since he probably hasn't bathed in a
month and is missing teeth. It will happen
within a few days, as ****ps inbound from the
Continent straggle into "English" - now
Britannic - ****ts. There will be confusion
and surprises on both sides, but at least a
few firearms will fall into Britannic hands.

After that, the secret is out.

>By far, however, the most powerful Protestant
>power has disappeared from the face of the
>map, to be replaced by a few primitive pagans...

Primitive? These are Romans. They
live better than most European
nobility.

>>  Might: there are
>>    much worse infidels, actual enemies of
>>    Christ, all over the Med and Balkans, and
>>    no one is "crusading" against them any more.
>
>The Spanish war against the Ottoman Turks
>was only shortly before the Spanish Armada
>was sent against England.

What effort did the Spanish make to conquer
and Christianize North Africa, an adjacent
country full of extremely hostile non-
Christians? Answer: not much.

Spain fought against the Turks, but that
was a defensive struggle - it was the
Turks who came west, not the Spanish who
went east.
-- 
| People say "There's a Stradivarius for sale for a  |
| million," and you say "Oh, really? What's wrong    |
| with it?" - Yitzhak Perlman                        |
 




 32 Posts in Topic:
Britannia ISOT
christopher fardell <c  2008-07-03 01:06:27 
Re: Britannia ISOT
"William Black"  2008-07-03 11:43:33 
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"Graham Truesdale&qu  2008-07-05 20:05:24 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-07 08:41:52 
Re: Britannia ISOT
Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-07 18:51:58 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-08 09:54:38 
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"Allen W. McDonnell&  2008-07-08 18:08:20 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-08 17:45:35 
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"Allen W. McDonnell&  2008-07-09 07:37:11 
Re: Britannia ISOT
Yeechang Lee <ylee@[EM  2008-07-15 01:27:38 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-15 08:32:39 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-15 14:37:49 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-15 14:12:42 
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"William Black"  2008-07-08 14:24:06 
Re: Britannia ISOT
Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-03 11:40:22 
Re: Britannia ISOT
Remus <roamulus@[EMAIL  2008-07-09 07:56:21 
Re: Britannia ISOT
"William Black"  2008-07-09 16:43:08 
Re: Britannia ISOT
"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-09 20:38:37 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-13 17:06:13 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-14 07:12:26 
Re: Britannia ISOT
"William Black"  2008-07-14 13:37:48 
Re: Britannia ISOT
Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-14 17:54:25 
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"William Black"  2008-07-15 19:36:32 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-15 22:54:05 
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"William Black"  2008-07-16 09:24:47 
Re: Britannia ISOT
"Mike stone" &l  2008-07-16 07:03:34 
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"William Black"  2008-07-16 09:25:36 
Re: Britannia ISOT
Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-07-16 11:51:16 
Re: Britannia ISOT
Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-07-09 12:47:04 
Re: Britannia ISOT
Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-07-09 13:26:51 
Re: Britannia ISOT
Remus <roamulus@[EMAIL  2008-07-09 16:12:20 
Re: Britannia ISOT
Andrew Woode <andrew_w  2008-07-16 11:26:35 

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