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Re: No Hitler: Polish-German Danzig war

by Jack Linthicum <jacklinthicum@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aug 28, 2008 at 08:29 AM

On Aug 28, 11:23=A0am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Aug 28, 2:25=A0am, "Michele" <nospammiar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Rich Rostrom" <rrostrom.21stcent...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ha scritto nel
messaggion=
ews:rrostrom.21stcentury-E08CDC.01164028082008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > > Jack Linthi*** <jacklinthi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > >> The primary reason why Franco
> > >>would not participate in an attack on Gibraltar was the sole road
was
> > >>exposed to the sea and very inadequate.
>
> > > No, the primary reason why Franco
> > > would not participate in an attack on Gibraltar
> > > is that he did not want to go to war with
> > > Britain. =A0The details of the attack on Gib
> > > were far less significant than the probable
> > > cutoff of all Spanish trade
>
> > ...where trade doesn't just mean coffee and spices; it means basic
> > foodstuffs.
>
> > with the Americas,
>
> > > the probable loss of Spain's colonies in Africa,
>
> > ...maybe not immediately, though surely if the war was lost. OTOH,
ther=
e
> > would be immediate consequences for the Canarias, which weren't just a
> > colony.
>
> > > and British air attacks on Spanish cities - to
> > > mention only a few of the probable results
> > > of Spain going to war.
>
> > ...that said, the attack on Gibraltar wouldn't be easy, logistically.
>
> Well, we seem to agree, in any case, that Franco didn't join Hitler,
> and remained neutral during the second world war, because it was quite
> obvious that he would immediately be in very deep trouble militarily.
> Unlike Mussolini and Hitler. =A0It wasn't that Franco knew that Hitler
> would lose. =A0It was simply that it was obvious that Spain could not
> possibly win.
>
> Franco was actually fantastically lucky throughout his political
> career. =A0He was lucky to get sufficient assistance and insufficient
> opposition to win the Civil War -- Stalin could probably have crushed
> him, if he had wanted to, most Spaniards were left-leaning. =A0He was
> lucky that Spain was in such a weak position during the second world
> war that he had no incentive to join in, and that Hitler would
> therefore tolerate his neutrality. =A0He was extremely lucky that the
> Cold War with Stalin started up after the second world war, for
> otherwise, he would certainly have been isolated and probably removed
> from power, as a fascist. =A0He was lucky that the Spanish were willing
> to let him live out his life as a dictator, contenting themselves with
> assassinating the Admiral who was positioning himself to continue the
> dictator****p toward the end of his life.

****tugal? Salazar?
 




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No Hitler: Polish-German Danzig war
bm2617@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-08-17 21:38:56 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-18 09:21:08 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-08-18 18:18:33 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-08-18 18:21:29 
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"Doug" <doug  2008-08-18 18:48:18 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-18 10:33:55 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-08-18 14:09:24 
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akup@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-08-18 19:46:02 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-18 13:02:38 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-08-19 07:24:15 
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Strange Creature <stra  2008-08-18 14:04:48 
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Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-08-18 14:47:22 
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"Jenny Brien" &  2008-08-19 10:23:39 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-19 11:50:16 
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jussi.jalonen@[EMAIL PROT  2008-08-19 04:30:34 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-19 15:58:54 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-19 07:48:11 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-08-19 11:43:32 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-19 07:49:21 
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The Horny Goat <lcrave  2008-08-19 16:08:23 
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Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-08-19 07:56:54 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-19 09:57:57 
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"Jenny Brien" &  2008-08-19 18:24:19 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-19 11:04:40 
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"Jenny Brien" &  2008-08-19 22:36:45 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-20 08:28:56 
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Faeelin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-25 18:56:09 
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"Doug" <doug  2008-08-26 17:47:01 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-08-26 20:42:20 
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"Doug" <doug  2008-08-27 18:50:59 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-08-28 01:21:35 
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"Doug" <doug  2008-08-29 22:34:47 
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Faeelin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-25 18:57:03 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-08-26 12:18:03 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-27 11:24:01 
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Faeelin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-25 19:06:46 
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raystwo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-25 22:13:36 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-26 09:32:27 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-08-26 09:48:06 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-26 11:51:47 
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raystwo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-26 08:18:21 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-26 18:59:47 
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"William Black"  2008-08-26 13:35:30 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-08-26 12:02:37 
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"William Black"  2008-08-26 18:33:16 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-26 08:20:52 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-26 17:47:15 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-26 08:31:20 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-08-26 17:04:52 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-27 09:18:34 
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"Mike stone" &l  2008-08-27 10:00:49 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-27 11:29:39 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-26 09:39:15 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-26 09:45:10 
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Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-08-26 11:11:46 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-26 12:03:00 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-08-26 21:53:14 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-27 09:43:46 
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David Johnson <trolley  2008-08-27 22:16:52 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-28 09:04:47 
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David Johnson <trolley  2008-08-28 22:04:13 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-29 09:15:19 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-08-28 01:09:22 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-28 09:22:21 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-08-28 12:55:31 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-29 09:13:41 
Re: No Hitler: Polish-German Danzig war
Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-08-26 12:14:41 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-26 13:01:25 
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Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-08-26 13:13:11 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-26 13:52:38 
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Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-08-26 14:41:33 
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Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-08-27 03:30:00 
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Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-08-28 01:16:40 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-28 09:25:30 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-27 07:50:27 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-27 17:49:15 
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Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-08-27 07:55:21 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-27 08:04:17 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-27 17:24:20 
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-27 08:59:22 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-27 19:00:09 
Re: No Hitler: Polish-German Danzig war
Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-08-27 09:18:27 
Muchos Amigos de Francisco Franco en Estados Unidos
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-27 09:31:25 
Re: Muchos Amigos de Francisco Franco en Estados Unidos
Inapetente <alguien@[E  2008-08-27 18:46:39 
Re: Muchos Amigos de Francisco Franco en Estados Unidos
"Michele" <n  2008-08-28 09:02:08 
Re: Muchos Amigos de Francisco Franco en Estados Unidos
"Michele" <n  2008-08-27 19:07:47 
Re: No Hitler: Polish-German Danzig war
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-27 10:12:59 
Re: No Hitler: Polish-German Danzig war
"Michele" <n  2008-08-28 08:59:59 
Re: Muchos Amigos de Francisco Franco en Estados Unidos
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-27 10:23:58 
Re: No Hitler: Polish-German Danzig war
Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-08-27 13:25:30 
Re: No Hitler: Polish-German Danzig war
Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-08-28 03:09:40 
Re: Muchos Amigos de Francisco Franco en Estados Unidos
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-28 08:09:33 
Re: No Hitler: Polish-German Danzig war
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-28 08:23:08 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-28 18:29:56 
Re: No Hitler: Polish-German Danzig war
Jack Linthicum <jackli  2008-08-28 08:29:50 
Re: No Hitler: Polish-German Danzig war
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-28 14:21:30 
Re: No Hitler: Polish-German Danzig war
Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-08-29 02:30:53 
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"Michele" <n  2008-08-29 10:39:36 
Re: No Hitler: Polish-German Danzig war
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_19  2008-08-29 08:57:25 
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raystwo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-30 12:41:52 
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"Michele" <n  2008-09-01 09:32:46 
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Faeelin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-26 11:41:20 
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Faeelin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-08-26 15:52:41 
Re: No Hitler: Polish-German Danzig war
Rich Rostrom <rrostrom  2008-08-26 20:36:17 

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