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Re: The Soviet Training City

by "news.iglou.com" <jtmajor@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aug 28, 2008 at 06:08 PM

"a425couple" <a425couple@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:BoqdnfiO6u6CWSvVnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "news.iglou.com" <jtmajor@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote ...
>> There was a enthusiastic literature on the Vast Nazi Espionage 
>> Establishment whose perpetrators were not embarrassed by its total 
>> non-confirmation.
>
> Yeah, always hard to prove 'the negative' (or even to be really positive

> in your own mind of ??)

    ?
    _Total Espionage_ by Curt Reiss claimed that there was a vast Nazi 
Espionage machine, with over thirty thousand agents in just one part (the 
NSDAP Auslands-Organization), and that they had gone so far as to have a 
high-ranking SS officer appear on a platform at an America First rally.

    The real German espionage organization was considerably smaller, far 
less effective, and in particular there was no connection of any 
significance between them and the America First.  I am not aware that
Reiss 
withdrew or clarified his accusations after the war.

    _Sabotage!_by Michael Sayers and Albert E. Kahn described the efforts
of 
a massive Nazi covert warfare organization that had committed hundreds of 
acts of sabotage against American defense industries, all the way to the 
destruction of the liner _Normandie_.

    There were two efforts by the various German intelligence agencies to 
infiltrate saboteurs into the U.S.  One fell apart after the agents
landed, 
the other did absolutely nothing (and this one arrived after Sayers &
Kahn's 
book came out).  I am not aware that Sayers and/or Kahn withdrew or 
clarified their accusations after the war.


>
>>    Note that none of these alleged "sleeper" agents has come out of 
>> hiding, now that the purpose of their mission is dead and gone.
>
> #1.  What would you do if you were one?
>   (tis prudent sometimes, to let sleeping dogs lie...
>    and if you;ve been a sleeping dog, maybe best to just not stir up a 
> fuss...)

    If you haven't done anything except enter the U.S. illegally, sell
your 
story to a publisher for big bucks and retire to Belize, rich and famous.

>
> #2.  Recall one person involved in the transfer of US A-bomb secrets to 
> Soviets (I can't recall name right now but fairly easily found).  Only 
> years later was 'fairly firm' evidence found to identify him, he was 
> questioned.
> He has been very careful in his statements. He will not (to public's 
> knowledge) give evidence against himself or others, nor will he deny,
but 
> will say that that was a long time ago, and he has changed his mind
about 
> many things.  Prudent!

    Teddy Hall.  The only other agent he had contact with was his friend 
Savile Sax, who had died by the time they were publicly uncovered. 
(Though, 
by a curious coincience, Hall took a physics course at Los Alamos; the 
assistant professor was Klaus ****hs.)

        Joseph T Major
 




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