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Re: The Profitable Dismantling of Civil Society

by Day Brown <daybrown@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 8, 2008 at 01:26 PM

I sympathize Hardpan. Reading Jared Diamond's latest, "Collapse" I 
notice that when the resource base is maxed, the power elites, rather 
than cutting back to buy time to look for solutions, increase their 
exploitation of all lower cl***** so as to keep increasing the perks
and luxury they've enjoyed to give the illusion that "progress" continues.

Course, there is the unintended effect on increasing stress on the 
middle class- the workers who maintain the infrastructure you refer to. 
They work longer hours for less pay because of the power elite
exploitation.

Machiavelli and Gibbon picked up on this. They saw that the aristocracy 
encouraged immigration to Rome from tribes that lacked strong republican 
traditions to flood the market with workers to drive wages down. They 
also funded the campaigns of demagogues pandering to ethnicity and 
religion, promising one thing to them in their own language, but saying 
something else in Latin to the Romans.

Meanwhile the senate reduced the taxes on the rich and increased them on 
everyone else. Mach saw this a lot, noting how, since a republic cannot 
tax the rich, and the lower cl***** are soon bankrupt, that they then 
borrow the money from the rich to run the government. Which works until 
some creditor sees the tax base will no longer the interest, much less 
pay off the loans. Somebody either no longer has the money to lend, or 
refuses, and that crashes the whole system.

There's no money to pay the military. Food prices rise, there are riots 
in the streets, and the proverbial schitt hits the fan. When this came 
down in Rome, Caesar had just finished looting Gaul, so he had the money 
to pay his own troops and took over. Mach notes how some demagogue will 
arise from among the people to take over, the military seeing where the 
follower****p is and going along.

Either way, the new leader seizes the assets of the rich to gratify the 
instinct for revenge from the lower cl***** trying to rebalance the 
books. Which dont work all that well because while the rich provide a 
very high cost of management, no management at all produces famine.

The recent "stimulus package" is an attempt by the power elite to return 
some of the money they've extracted from the lower cl*****. Machiavelli 
says corrupt republics always respond to crisis too little, too late. We 
will see. The US economy has been lucky and endured stress before.

But we may see the dismantling of the Untied States of Denial such as we
see so often in the collapse of empire. "Constant Battles" says that the
dissolution breaks down in different degrees in different areas. Jared 
Diamond, in "Collapse" shows how those areas that have minorities tend 
to have demagogues arise scapegoating, whereas those with homogeneous 
populations, lacking an easy target, pull together to find solutions.

Thus, when the USSR collapsed, the Southern multi-ethnic Red states who 
were so dependent on contracts from an obsolete military industrial 
complex and factory farms (agribusiness) saw demagogry, genocide, and 
famine. But the homogeneous NW Coast Blue Baltic States threw out the 
Soviet bureaucrats, and the lights in Riga, Tallin, and Vilna didnt even 
blink. In both cases the high cost of management was eliminated, but in 
the latter, local management effectively replaced the power elite.

If the US economy does not get dynamic visionary leader****p that sees 
the problems you refer to, then the system is likely to fragment; the 
only vote you have which counts is that you make with your feet, or a 
U-haul. Some states and communities have more rational populations, as 
seen in the crime and education statistics, and will be far more likely 
to figure out how to manage their own resource base and infrastructure.

Some do not, and you can expect street gangs to turn into goon squads 
that terrorize under the charismatic leader****p of an aggressive alpha 
male. Unless you are that male, you dont wanna be there.
 




 8 Posts in Topic:
The Profitable Dismantling of Civil Society
Hardpan <hardpan_101@[  2008-07-07 23:40:23 
Re: The Profitable Dismantling of Civil Society
Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-07-08 13:26:33 
Re: The Profitable Dismantling of Civil Society
Sir Frederick <mmcneil  2008-07-08 11:58:15 
Re: The Profitable Dismantling of Civil Society
Hardpan <hardpan_101@[  2008-07-08 19:27:52 
Re: The Profitable Dismantling of Civil Society
Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-07-08 22:33:08 
Re: The Profitable Dismantling of Civil Society
Hardpan <hardpan_101@[  2008-07-08 19:48:55 
Re: The Profitable Dismantling of Civil Society
Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2008-07-09 04:12:09 
Re: The Profitable Dismantling of Civil Society
Immortalist <reanimate  2008-07-08 19:34:59 

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